UKIP JOINT 2ND IN LATEST EURO POLL
UKIP are in second place, on 17% for the Euro elections, according to a Mail on Sunday poll today.
If more people vote for UKIP in the Euro elections Gordon Brown's party could be pushed into THIRD place!!!
OK, UKIP are a right-wing kosher party - but so are all the other parties outside of the pro-EU Greens/Socialists and some Lib Dems.
Pushing UKIP into second place (and Labour into third) may give us all the opportunity to:
1. Get shot of Brown. This will help put Westminster into even more turmoil and who knows what could result at every level of politics, benefiting "small" parties and local community activists.
2. Agitate for withdrawal from the EU, on a serious "Irish" style footing (not mere populist gesturing).
3. Further argue that people are losing faith with party politics, allowing more of us to agitate for a non-party system, recallable delegates with a fixed wage, guilds and similar anti-party bodies.
If the 5% (or 4% according to a Sun poll) of people voting BNP (at which level they won't get an MEP but merely split the anti-EU vote) switch to UKIP they could even be breathing down the necks of the Tories!
Many will moan that we say vote for a Kosher Right-Wing Multi-Culti corrupt party like UKIP, but there is so little difference between them and the BNP that this is purely a case of voting for who will do the most damage to the Westminster Regime as it stands, and its subservient role to the endemically corrupt Brussels regime.
After all, that outcome could be more seismatic and system-changing than putting in a possible couple of BNP MEPs who would, in all honesty, change nothing about Westminster or the way in which this country is run.
Are we for trying to bring about real change or getting a few people on a gravy train?
Moreover since UKIP employed the EU whistleblower Marta Andreasen to be its national treasurer (and EU candidate), it's clear that UKIP means to clean up its books and send a shockwave into Brussels by sending back the woman the EU Commission feared more than any other.
That's certainly more reassuring than the BNP employing Simon Darby as their national treasurer (following a revolving door scenario of treasurers) given the bizarre allegations that surround his time in the National Democrats and the BNP!
Right: EU whistleblower Marta Andreasen, UKIP EU candidate - set to take the fight back to the corrupt EU Commission.
As such it is now debatable that nationalists should vote tactically (whilst holding their noses in most cases):
- UKIP in the Euros.
- NF/BNP and similar in the locals.
Links:
UKIP on 17%
UKIP Employs EU Whistleblower
UKIP on 15% a few days ago
25 comments:
nobody should ever think of helping UKIP. the UKIP party is ultra neoliberal, thatcherist and supports ending the few barriers that still exist to prevent foreign goods destroying the british market altogether. free-trade also means free movement of peoples and that means even more immigration.
UKIP also supports relaxing the laws on financial practice, that means more power to the zionist bankers and those who play roulette with peoples savings.
the EU elections are another circus with every single party tied to the zionism, either directly, or in the case of the bnp, through grovelling populist deference.
That is true.
HOWEVER, if a huge UKIP return could start the process that makes our political scene far more "Irish" in this regard: i.e. willing to continually send a two fingered salute to the Masonic/Socialist EU Commission.... then it's worth pegging your nose to do it.
If every anti-EU voter, every anti-sleaze voter, everyone p'ed off with MPs... voted UKIP just this once it could start the ball rolling.
The BNP will huff and puff that I said this, ignoring the fact I said folks should vote for them and similar parties in the locals (saying that as they tend to dismiss people like me out of hand as "nazis" then I presume they don't care what I and those like me say anyway!).
This, I believe, would be a "pincer movement" which would scare the crap out of the 'Big Three'.
If the BNP stays at 4 or 5% all they're doing is syphoning off the anti-EU votes.
Just as UKIP local electioneering in BNP/NF wards syphons off their votes.
Increasingly there is very little between the BNP and UKIP, especially with the BNP leader stating on TV that he will let in coloureds.
I am no fan of UKIP policies.
This is pure Guerilla politics.
Perhaps things will change before June 4th (certainly much has in the last 3 weeks!) but this is how it's panning out.
the only way to bring the political system down is by encouraging people not to vote in any election at any time. a mass abstention movement would force the corrupt party system to collapse. they can only govern because they convince enough people to vote.
the strategy should be to break the system by mass non participation.
this is entirely possible given lower and lower turn-outs. if people abstained from voting in sufficient numbers it would bring attention to the problem of political careerism and break the stranglehold on power that political parties exercize.
This poll has been found to have been undertaken by UKIP sympathetic elements, also why is it being pushed by Searchlight?
there is no question that everyone should cast their vote for the BNP.
Also a bit rich that there is an anger towards the pigs in Parliament but what about the pigs of UKIP? One MEP has gone independent and publicly declared his disgust at the corruption inherent in UKIP, 2 other UKIP MEPs have been locked up for fraud!
Sod UKIP, why not call them by their proper name? MI5
Anyone who votes UKIP is a traitor, especially you who appears to 'know the score'.
How can you go on about how all the parties are kosher, then advocate a vote for UKIP?
Are you undertaking a personal vendetta against Griffin, because everyone else (apart from one or two others) would rather shoot a UKIP member rather than justify their existence!
Just vote BNP and have done with it.
1st Anon: two separate polls have given UKIP 15% then 17%.
You cannot hide behind the "Searchlight" smear all the time. It's getting boring.
Is it Searchlight promoting the BNP vote on the BBC and the Torygraph?
UKIP probably are MI5 [or influenced by] - in the sense that all the political parties are!!!
The point here, beyond the smears, sneers and name-calling is that there is little difference between the BNP and UKIP.
If UKIP are getting 15 - 17% and can run Labour into third place, whilst the BNP are getting 4-5%, then there is only one party splittuing the anti-EU vote: the BNP.
In the local elections [where, remember, I have advised people to vote BNP/NF], the BNP often accuse UKIP, NF and others of being "splitters", "spoilers" and worse because the BNP gets [or tends to get] the bigger vote.
By that same criteria, the BNP are "spoilers" and "splitters" in the Euros.
Everyone will have their own agenda [and if mine was sheer anti-Griffin, Anon No. 2, I wouldn't say vote BNP in the locals... join the dots please, or learn to read].
my point is this: AN ANTI-EU PARTY GETTING MORE VOTES THAN THE GOVERNMENT WOULD SEND OUT HUGE SHOCKWAVES.
I also return to the issue re. the UKIP treasurer.
As a BIG anti-sleaze personality in Brussels UKIP are sending out a clear message that their accounts will be whiter than white.
Meanwhile, the BNP appoint someone mired in sleaze, with numerous other jobs... and a crony of the BNP leadership.
I am no fan of UKIP, nor any other right wing Kosher/Zionist party [come to that I am no fan of party politics per se].
I repeat: This is guerilla politics intended to bring down a government and hopefully bring about some MEANINGFUL change to the party system.
Fanciful?
Perhaps. But so is waiting for the BNP to "win power" in Westminster.
As NG might say, politics is the art of the possible.
Or is that only allowed to be said by those waving their little Israel flags as they rant about Islamofascism?
Toot toot.
FC, I stated that the poll was undertaken by elements sympathetic to UKIP, Searchlight are merely using it to push the myth that UKIP is the one to be on if you are serious about giving it to the Gov. in much thge same way they have also pushed the Green Party (Tomatoes). THIS IS FACT.
You are being rather disingenious when you concede that 'UKIP are probably MI5 in much the same way as they all are' you know that the State are using UKIP precisely to cull the BNP vote. As for their Treasurer being whiter than white with the accounts, neither here nor there, that's like accepting a politician giving back what they stole in expenses as alright and reason enough to absolve them, Fraud Is Fraud. UKIP are fraudsters, do you really want to be seen as responsible for encouraging blatant fraudsters, plus the fact that they are not, nor ever were seriously anti-EU.
Never believe pollsters, if you have a mind to recall the Gallup Poll of the early nineties when Major won but that pillock Kinnock was bang odds on to win it by a landslide as shown in the polls! It is a fact that most NF/BNP voters refrain from declaring support to the 'clip-board brigade'.
I say it again, everyone must vote BNP, the fact that EVERY single party is colluding with one another to keep them out of their cosy set-up, and the media is closing ranks and running their smear campaigns ought to be reason enough to know that at least the Establishment are terrified of their becoming mainstream.
"the State are using UKIP precisely to cull the BNP vote."
This is the line the BNP use against "smaller parties" in local elections etc.
In the Euros the BNP are the "smaller party" and many people out there (in Blog and forumland and in the real world no less!) believe that the BNP has been infiltrated/taken over by the state.
In this election no-one has any reason to be "ashamed" of who they vote for and the idea that a huge number of people would hide their loyalties is a falacy.
The BBC have been playing up that the BNP's vote would swell, thus giving the BNP a credability and acceptance they never had before, so I do not believe that line.
On accounts etc. there is plenty of dirty linen only yet partly washed in public on the BNP, whereas UKIP have had MEPs, an MP and Lord[s?], so it is hardly an even field.
People such as E.N. Ronn have pulled the BNP accounts apart and the positioning of the man whom some call 5IMon Darby to handle the accounts - with Silvers [oy already!] sits uncomfortably.
But this is minutae.
I repeat the charge: If we want a massive anti-EU vote, then splitters such as the bnp [and Kilroy Silk's lot etc. etc.] should be overlooked.
Pushing Labour into third place THIS ONCE could have seismic repurcussions on the national psyche, such as was evidenced in Ireland in pro-Life terms over the "X Case" vote or at the No to Nice and subsequent polls.
Of course BNPers won't like this, but it's a fact.
I read a very good analysis by some non-political "patriotic" chappie on a forum today.
He stated that the BNP have cornered the anti-immigration vote. And UKIP have cornered the Anti-EU vote.
That, outside of your or any other party political bubble is a simple fact.
That is why UKIP will out-poll the BNP in the Euros, and why the BNP will out poll UKIP in locals.
If the BNP vote is under the 7 - 8 [or 9]% needed, those votes are to all intents and purposes wasted as far as history and making a difference is concerned.
If UKIP come third behind Labour by 1 or 2 % then we should all ask what a difference hust a few percent of the votes would have made.
I repeat, I have no love of UKIP. They are like the BNP a right-wing Kosher Tory party.
But in the bigger scheme of things, if UKIP are on a rioll and getting such big percentages (as is confirmed by two seperate polls), then those people out there who are just vaguely "patriotic" and anti-EU will do more harm to Brown and the system short term by voting UKIP.
And whatever Searchlight makes of this is irrelevant. They a symbiotic-parasite [if that makes sense! ;-)] feeding off the rise of the BNP and "fascists" to fill their own coffers.
As fast as they belittle they warn against a surge in BNP support, like the old Skrewdriver song 'Built Up Knocked Down'.
When they used to warn against C18 many liberal-inclined nationalists said C18 was state.
Now they warn against the BNP...
You cannot use Searchlies as your benchmark for everything! They are political gymnasts and fly-by-nights out to make a few bucks.
As the voting intentions stand, I haven't changed my analysis.
As I said before, the BNP like to paint blogs like this as irrelevant nazis anyway, so you really shouldn't get so hot under the collar anyway!
No doubt it's all some big BBC-Searchlight-UKIP-nazi conspiracy!
Sheesh.
P.S. There have been two Polls, giving UKIP 15 - 17%.
Were both polls run by UKIP?
An aberition like that would quickly fall on its face.
NB: The BBC TV news BLANKED these two polls. The same BBC that has been repeating the mantra that the BNP would be THE party to pick up votes from the Westminster Accounts-Gate scandals.
Are we to think that the BBC is building up BNP coverage and ignoring UKIP?
What should we make of that?
So the BBC are building up the BNP? How comes Griffo's intervies on the Politics Show yesterday was pulled last minute and....wait for it....replaced by a certain Farage?!
Why have previously 'fair' commentators suddenly turned tact and started writing childish/snidey missives.
A poll doesn't take much to set up, so what if there were 2, it's easy for UKIP to influence umpteen if they want to, and contrary to what you believe, people are still reluctant in the main to declare their support for the BNP.
And don't dismiss my arguments by simply saying 'it's not good enough to use Searchlight', it's only a coincidence that the sudden turn by the BBC and newspaper editors came as a result of a letter sent to them on the week-end containing threats of boycotts and demos if such a stance towards the BNP was maintained?
PS There's evidence of such media dirty tricks in today's 'Scum'. Not you who knocked it up was it?
the bnp is more corrupt than ukip.
griffo has his own slush fund called the Trafalgar Club.
50K was flushed away on great white records. how did that go bust?
two known paedos are ignored/promoted.
the bodyguard pictured in sunday's telegraph has photos of him in a orgy scene on the net, since when hes been promoted.
clear out your own aegean stables before pointing the finger at other's you nonce.
remember the bnp have stabbed their own in the back countless times:
http://finalconflictblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/b-responds-rock-against-griffinism.html
steve cartright was in a good position to know all about the bnp.
if ukip's founder is slagging off Farage... what did the BNP's founder say about Griffin.
JT SAID GRIFFIN WAS MI5 AND PART OF A STATE TAKE OVER OF THE BNP!!!
if the bnp want to rake up founders of parties slaging off today's leaders please publish all JT's material on Griffin.
I guess that isn't news!!!!!!!!!
"PS There's evidence of such media dirty tricks in today's 'Scum'. Not you who knocked it up was it?"
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Childish, anon.
I would never put out such a "story".
It should be obvious from my previous posts that I said Kosher Tories would say Gurkhas could stay/come here.
A day or two later Mr. Griffin said exactly that on national TV.
A stance of repatriating Asians is NOT what we should expect.
i think ukip and the bnp are just as bad.
why can't we have a mainstream patriotic party with no cronyism, corruption, sexual deviants?
do either UKIP or the BNP ban freemasons?
FAO: Lincs NF Supporter.
Where were you 30 years ago? mug.
30 years ago i was in nursery.
we're not all dinosaurs.
Anon - empty slogans you idiot.
The BNP has collette a proven paedophile (and useless with leaflets!!!!!).
Wash your own laundery first.
Twit.
You reckon you had 30 years experience? What have you done with it? 30 years of bugger all.
collette is the end result of your 30 years.
you are the paedo supportin nonce.
i'd rather vote ukip than bnp.
Anon: resorting to silly name calling undermines any justifiable arguments you may have had.
Please try and remain civil to fellow posters on here.
Thanks.
Maybe so, but youngsters spring up on both 'sides' and age doesn't necessarily signify wisdom (look at Greville Janner!).
To use foul language demeans ANYONE'S argument.
Hey, he's the one who referred to age first by his reference to dinosaur, if he's gone off crying to his mummy it ain't my problem.
I amy - shock, horror - be wrong of course but i think that was a quip, with not only age but also dinosaur in the sense of old fashioned political beliefs in the sense that many Tyndallites were dismissed as 'dinosaurs'...
When he's back on here I'm sure Lincs NF Supporter can enlighten us.
btw, he hasn't gone crying to anyone to my knowledge (unless he's moaned on other websites]. I just affirm the no-swear rule, as i have in the past with people whom i totally agree with [whose comments i've had to block] and those i am opposed to.
Don't be too touchy.
It seems UKIP only get 10% or so when they are not seperately listed by pollsters.
Of course in the election they WILL be listed!
Vote UKIP: Get NuLab in third place, out of power, and us out of the EU!!!
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